Part 1

 By Jason Dodd & Chris Estey

 

 

 

            Your wife screeches, "You’re not the boss of me!" every time you ask for a beer and don’t say please. Your kids won’t shut up about "Particle Man," and there's this weird new book out with a hilarious four-song CD they heard while playing with the neighbors' kids that they want right now. Like Frank Black, your copy of Flood was never quite popped out of the tape player in your Toyota, but somehow you don’t mind. Face it: It’s their world, and when they wave their arms in an unconscious parody of everything you do, you feel fine.

            Maybe that's just us ... but we doubt it. Whether you like it or not (and that's always been the unspoken mantra), They Might Be Giants has integrated itself deeply into American culture. The John's have become their songs.

 

    We adore an institution, and do not see that it is
    founded on a thought that we have.

    —Ralph Waldo Emerson, Essay IV: Spiritual Laws

     

            Gigantic: A Tale of Two John’s is an inventive and faithful documentary about the 20-year career of Brooklyn-based TMBG. Released in 2003, in spite of its eclectic semi-pop culture subject matter, the film surprisingly received wide distribution, much to the pleasure and amazement of its husband and wife creation team, director AJ Schnack and producer Shirley Moyers. As it is also the first full-length feature from their company, Bonfire Films of America (which is co-releasing the film on DVD with Plexifilm), its success has shocked others as well—including TMBG co-leader John Flansburgh.

 

    In this country we encourage “creativity” among the mediocre, but real bursting creativity appalls us. We put it down as undisciplined, as somehow “too much.”

    —Pauline Kael

     

            The real success of Gigantic, however, is that it captures the personality and dynamic of two incredibly prolific, influential, and grossly misunderstood/underestimated artists that up to this point had managed to keep themselves relatively behind a veil. “Revealing” is not the right word for Gigantic if one is looking for “juicy details” (which probably do not even exist) and substantial back story, but the word does fit in other, arguably more important contexts. An unwavering, inspiring ethic is revealed, a spiritual and historical thread, as well as the important reminder that even (especially) after all these years TMBG is still right under your skin, and maybe even in your head.

 

    They Might Be Giants is, in the end, a tribute to the power of the sheer will of the imagination over reality. There is something both sad and inspiring about Justin’s Sherlock Holmes delusion. It is sad because we realize it is his only response to losing his wife; yet it is inspiring because, in some ways, we also realize that he is a happier, better man as Sherlock Holmes.

    —James Kendrick, on 1971 film They Might Be Giants (QNetwork)

 

            With the cooperation of Moyers, Schnack, Flansburgh, and Sarah Vowell, we offer a They Might Be Giants “oral history” of sorts inspired by and regarding Gigantic.

 

 

 

 

 

PLEASE ALLOW ME TO INTRODUCE MYSELF!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

John Flansburgh, the bespectacled fella in TMBG: What lies did they fill you with? I guess we’ll put on our decoder ring!

 

 

 

AJ Schnack, Gigantic director: I think I really like what Robert Krulwich says in my film, about how in America unless everyone all stands up at one point and says, “We love you” ... that’s what the mainstream says is important. They Might Be Giants are probably never going to be that band, but it doesn’t seem to matter to them.

 

 

 

Shirley Moyers, Gigantic producer: They grow on you, the more you listen, the more you know, the more you love them ... it’s important to examine and celebrate longevity, persistence, and creativity, and TMBG is a rare example of all three. They fall into a category of American craftsmen for me.

 

 

 

John Flansburgh (Again): Many nights there’s a guy in the crowd who’s wearing a Pearl Jam T-shirt. And I can’t imagine being into Pearl Jam. But they like Pearl Jam. And I think it’s great. In my world ... I would like to be everybody’s OTHER favorite band. You like Sarah McLaughlin, and then when you’re getting your swerve on, you listen to TMBG!

 

 

 

Sarah Vowell, author (most recently, The Partly Cloudy Patriot) and radio commentator with National Public Radio (“This American Life”): The last time I heard “Born to be Wild” was in a car. I was with my friend Matt, and we were driving from the FDR Presidential Library to an outlet mall. And Matt was singing along and it seemed so funny to me that someone who was going from Presidential tourism to bargain shopping is singing this song about being wild. I like that song, I do. But I was not born to be wild....

 

 

 

            PRELUDE

            It’s 1993, and a twenty-five year old self-described “total longhaired hippie punk freak” from St. Louis has just started a video company in Southern California.

            He has been there for about ten years, and found himself in his first nine jobs doing things like helping out behind the scenes of a game show, and working as a producer and an anchorman at a television station.

 

            A SWELL HANG

Shirley: We both had moved to Los Angeles after college to pursue careers in film. We hit it off right away, a great spark. AJ has quite a sparkle in his eye, and we haven’t looked back since.

 

 

AJ: For me it was that when I was in college I was really curious about finding music I had never heard of before. I was going into record stores, and basically there was a section that was “Employees’ Suggestions,” or something. I would be really intrigued and pick stuff up.

            So, I had picked up [TMBG’s] first record, out of a shop in Urabana, IL, when I had gone to visit a friend at the University of Illinois. I listened to it on my way home, and just really liked it a lot. I thought it was a strange record, very different from anything that I’d ever heard before. And then they just became one of the bands that I enjoyed listening to. When they started coming to Columbia, MO, where I was going to school, I would go see them play at this really great alternative rock club that was in town. This was about 1986-87.

            Their work was discordant. I really liked them, as one of the other bands I’d really been into was the Talking Heads, and I also loved Laurie Anderson when I was in high school. I was interested in all the stuff going on at that time: Husker Du, the Replacements, REM, a lot of underground rock, college rock, whatever it was called. Melody is big to me, and there are a couple of songs on TMBG’s first record that are experimental, and I appreciated them, but I wasn’t sure how to take it as an album as a whole. But there were certain songs on the record that I was really, really into, that became favorites—I really wanted to see what they were going to do next.

 

Shirley: I grew up in very small agricultural towns in California and Arizona. I was Miss All-American—straight A's, drama club, school newspaper, varsity volleyball, student council. I think I expressed my alternative nature in overachievement and an overabundance of energy. I was always maybe a generation behind in my music tastes, and was listening to my aunts’ and uncles’ records—Beatles, Joan Baez, Simon and Garfunkle ... and my mom’s favorites—Hank Williams, Charlie Pride, Johnny Cash ... AJ broke the world of alternative rock wide open for me. And of course I eventually got to work with great bands producing their videos.

 

John: John [Linnell] and I became friends in high school in the mid-70s when, to paraphrase Frank Zappa, “high school spirit was at an all time low.” And I mean, like, our prom was cancelled due to lack of interest. It was the total arc of the 60s and 70s teen drug culture at its high water mark. There was no inside or outside crowd. It had fractured away and a lot of kids were completely stoned, and there weren’t a lot of traditional, “uptight” people. It was a very rough time for the social institutions of our teen years. It’s funny, because it’s the years I grew up in, and my wife is just a few years younger than me, but I realize there’s something very generationaly different—things had gotten really derailed, in a very basic way. I don’t think that we felt like outcasts at all, I think everybody in high school felt like, "You know, a lot of things are over.”

            John and I worked on the newspaper together and we had a group of people that we hung out with, that really shared the same sensibility—we saw a lot of things together, experienced a lot of things together. It was sort of a social clique, boys and girls who worked for the paper—but in some ways I feel like the way we talked about how shitty the drum solo was at the Wet Willie concert forever influenced the sort of band that we have. You just can’t have that conversation and be in a band and have a really long drum solo so we can mop down our brows! Which was basically the function at the Wet Willie concert, so the band could primp themselves....

 

Sarah: I’m not saying I didn’t sow wild oats when I was younger, but mostly—I was born to be quiet. I like silence. I like solitude. I like sentiment and warmth and manners. I’m wild about manners. My mother raised me properly, to be a kind person. I don’t know if I live up to that, but I do try. And I enjoy songs in 4/4 time with a backbeat. I like electric guitars. And the thing I always appreciated about TMBG is that they seemed like me, like people I would like to know. I have a lot of rock and roll heroes. And I couldn’t say that about most of them.

            For example, I love Jerry Lee Lewis. This guy is maybe the most self-absorbed, arrogant weirdo alive. I have no desire to meet him or be around him. I just love his voice and the way he bangs on the piano. Or Lou Reed. I would cross a street not to make eye contact with him. He scares me. I adore the way he—well, “sings” isn’t the right word—sounds.

            I don’t need to identify with the people I look up to. But it’s nice when I can. Besides the fact that John and John are good people—kind friends, thoughtful husbands—they are a swell hang. I love listening to them talk. I love knowledge and facts, and so do they. A goodly number of their sentences begin with the phrase: “I saw this documentary.”

 

 

 

    Illustration By: Dan Schlitzkus
    Flansburgh Photos By: C Taylor Crothers
    Vowell Photo By: Bennett Miller
    Published: 1 Jan 04 (BD #3)

 

 

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